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Post by alexcalvo on May 31, 2016 21:23:14 GMT -6
Quick simple question. If Bloodstained is the success we are all hoping it will be would you prefer to see more games in this same universe or more new IP's with different takes on the gothic/action genre?
If the former, what road should it go down? More Miriam adventures? Other characters in the same world? Different eras in the same universe?
If the latter, what road would you like to see taken? Something vampire heavy? Lovecraftian? Maybe a little bit more fantasy laden?
If you just want to tell me we should wait for the game to come out and not talk about future games yet just go ahead and ignore this thread. Don't need that kind of negativity.
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Post by ghaleon on May 31, 2016 22:14:40 GMT -6
Umm. I'm going to say that' *I'm* going to wait, and not because that's negative, but because there are different reasons why the first game may be a 'huge success'. For example, maybe the setting and world will contribute a large portion TO t hat success, in which case, keeping the world and characters and setting is likely going to be something people like. However if everyone adores the music and gameplay, but nobody really cares about the characters and story or monster style or what have you upon release, we can expect such things to change.
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Post by zoned87 on May 31, 2016 22:37:24 GMT -6
Assuming this game is everything we expect it to be I would be all for a sequel.
It could be direct or in the same era im fine with either.
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Post by Goobsausage on May 31, 2016 23:15:34 GMT -6
I had to choose now, I'd want Bloodstained 2 to be a linear FPS that lasts 4-6 hours, has tons of microtransactions, replace Miriam with an armored space marine, Gebel would become a Glados or Shodan-style A.I. trapped in one of those huge 1950's supercomputers named G.E.B.L., Johannes would completely replaced by Jeff Goldblum (not just as his voice actor, the character would BE Jeff Goldblum as himself), and shields would function the exact same way they did in SOTN while whips function the way they did in Super Castlevania 4.
I think that would be pretty consistent with what we've seen in Bloodstained's Kickstarter updates so far.
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Post by nekurors on Jun 1, 2016 0:46:30 GMT -6
Both, if Bloodstained become sucessful it should have a sequel, either way it would be cool to create more universes despise being sucessful or not, we could have Bloodstained in 2017, then we develop a new IP to ~2019, then Bloodstained 2 in 2020/2021, then new_IP sequel in 2021/2022, so on.
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Post by ghaleon on Jun 1, 2016 0:48:23 GMT -6
That's kind of a good point. I mean if it's really successful, hopefully other devs/producers will try to 'jump in' making higher budget and more ambitious games like these, rather than rely on indie devs to monopolize the market... Don't get me wrong, I generally prefer indie games, but having some budget to set some bars in some catagories can only help.
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Post by saberwolf94 on Jun 1, 2016 9:01:42 GMT -6
It's difficult to know since we haven't experienced Bloodstained yet. Depending on the story and other factors I wouldn't mind a sequel or two. But if the franchise reached it's greatest end I wouldn't want a sequel for the sake of a sequel unless it's a spin off of some kind which is probable for IGA's games. But hey, if he wants to use the IGAVania engine for a new IP Gothic romance or perhaps even something further than that then am all for it if it's good.
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Post by CastleDan on Jun 1, 2016 9:11:48 GMT -6
I hope it does what Castlevania does. Different time periods....etc
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Post by Kaius on Jun 1, 2016 12:13:07 GMT -6
The second opus of a game or a movie is always a dangerous part. Oftenly, we wish it never happend. Sometimes, it's even better than the first one ! Who never thought in the middle of a game : 'Oh, to think it's almost over... I want a next one !' or 'I wonder what happend in his/her life...' Some series had a brillant future when they thought it would be over even before the start (Final Fantasy ?). With Castlevania, we had a long serie of amazing games we all enjoyed for ! I would never call another Bloodstained Opus 'Bloodstained 2' but more like... 'Bloodstained : Alchemists' Awakening' or 'Bloodstained : Linked World' to refer, for instance, to the catastrophy that hit Alchemist Guild before the Castle got invaded by Demons (if I remember well) as a pre-sequel and, for the other option, what would follow the Final Boss stage (a fight with Gebel I suppose) where Demon World and Human World could be 'linked' as one. The adventure would (probably) never go around the world of course but we can imagine many things. I tend to think 'AGame'sName 2 / 3 / 4' sounds bad and artistically 'dead'. Of course, there are exceptions (Final Fantasy again) but I like the idea of giving the game a proper title like Castlevania's serie did. For now, I think we should wait to have beaten half the game for asking ourselves these questions seriously but I trust IGA's choices anyway and maybe it's a new beginning for him and his team. Maybe it is the start of another long serie. What could we hope better ?
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Post by Clear on Jun 1, 2016 13:50:07 GMT -6
I certainly hope that Bloodstained will be a big-enough success so that, sometime soon, Mana will be actively seeking ideas from us forum members through the shoutbox and a new forum thread for ideas for Bloodstained 2. It makes sense to me that if there will be a sequel or new IP derived from Bloodstained, they will not be contingent upon a kickstarter or any crowdfunding support goal. At some certain point, Iga will be able to take care of everything financially-related himself.
And if we get to Bloodstained 3, let's use Fangamer's idea of having an in-game character looking like Iga sitting on a golden toilet. It should also have a Sega-CD port. Also, since I've observed that the 3rd GBA and 3rd DS Iga Castlevania title have skeletons that, when destroyed, emit a sound that can be described as an 8-bit gritty mix of a slowed-down bowling ball strike and toilet flushing, the 3rd Bloodstained title should have such a skeleton also and with the same sound effect.
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Post by Rigel on Jun 1, 2016 13:59:32 GMT -6
I would like to see more games in the same universe. This is a new ip so it wont get old anytime soon, anyway I cant get tired of this kind of games so there can be three trilogies of Bloodstained without any problem xD
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Post by Kitti_W on Jun 3, 2016 2:45:02 GMT -6
Iga did said in an interview himself that it's very difficult to enter the market without famous IP(eg. Castlevania, Zelda, etc.) So I bet we will more likely see Bloodstained 2(which I'll be a backer) rather than new IP.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 3, 2016 8:01:08 GMT -6
So, obviously I would want more Igavania games like Bloodstained, but also I would really like to see more classicvania too. Konami (or anyone else, besides pretty much just Kayin with Brave Earth) is not doing a classicvania any more than they're doing real Igavanias.
So yeah, more The Adventure ReBirth/Rondo style games. They could be digital-only interim entries, side games, something...so long as they're released on a real platform and have that classic gameplay. Those games need to come back as much as any.
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Post by Foffy on Jun 3, 2016 8:46:18 GMT -6
They at the very least have a concept to use for a sequel.
Prior to asking fans, Igarashi pitched Bloodstained as a globe trotting game, trying to appease publishers with the idea of additional areas as DLC. I can totally see them doing this if the series gets a good footing.
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Post by Astaroth on Jun 3, 2016 9:28:19 GMT -6
i think the idea of doing a classicvania sized offshoot based in the same universe would be a good way to bridge the gap between major games in the vein of prologues, epilogues, side stories, and what ifs... as well as help flesh out areas that may not warrant a full game at the time but could serve as the setup to something further down the road
it could also give them something that could be a testing ground for ideas and adjustments to the system, plus it would let them go really out there in terms of assets since theyre smaller slices of the world, and in later games you could use these when the pc intersects with that slice of the world or have an easter egg of meeting one of the characters of those games and the people whove played that game go 'hey i know that guy!' similar to when maria asks alucard if hes heard of a belmont and alucard goes to trevor from cv3
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Post by CastleDan on Jun 3, 2016 9:53:29 GMT -6
They at the very least have a concept to use for a sequel. Prior to asking fans, Igarashi pitched Bloodstained as a globe trotting game, trying to appease publishers with the idea of additional areas as DLC. I can totally see them doing this if the series gets a good footing. I've been vocal in my disapproval of hub type games but I guess considering Bloodstained 1 is everything I want out of an Igavania I'd probably be okay with them doing something completely different for the next game. Although it'd be cool if they could build off of what they have with this. I mean if you think about it, they will have assets, they will have systems up and running so they can really build on the foundation after the original game.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Jun 3, 2016 16:30:21 GMT -6
I think i have a little different opinion here. Although i really liked all the timeline idea of Castlevania, i think Bloodstained could go for a different aproach. I'm talking about a Metaseries (also called "media franchise"). What is a metaseries, one may ask? Well, a Metaseries is a really huge franchise that has a lot of subseries. The best example of this is the Metaseries Megami Tensei, from Atlus. The JRPG Metaseries Megami Tensei, has six subseries, as follows:
Digital Devil Story series
Shin Megami Tensei series
Digital Devil Saga series
Devil Summoner series
Persona series
Devil Children/DemiKids series Each subseries is a self-contained timeline and universe, but all of them share the same common elements. On Megami Tensei Metaseries, all games has the protagonist summon creatures (mostly demons, or Personas), but each subseries has a specific storyline. They don't happen at the same universe, but share the same elements. Each subseries has several games.
So, Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night could be the first of the Metaseries Bloodstained. So, we could have, for instance (i made up everything):
Ritual of the Night series: Cursed Alchemist wreacking havoc on humankind. Artificial Life series: Frankeinstein-esque humanoid built long ago by Alchemists, wake up from their his/her slumber to feed on corpses. Alchemist Guild series Alchemist guild prevailed over science and have a global dictactorship controlled by alchemist and demons.
And so on.
If Bloodstained became a real succes, IGA will NEED more IPs. He can't be a "man of a single franchise" as it was before (i think). But those IPs could be all part of the Metaseries.
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Post by Foffy on Jun 3, 2016 18:15:19 GMT -6
I think i have a little different opinion here. Although i really liked all the timeline idea of Castlevania, i think Bloodstained could go for a different aproach. I'm talking about a Metaseries (also called "media franchise").What is a metaseries, one may ask? Well, a Metaseries is a really huge franchise that has a lot of subseries. The best example of this is the Metaseries Megami Tensei, from Atlus. The JRPG Metaseries Megami Tensei, has six subseries, as follows: Digital Devil Story series Shin Megami Tensei series Digital Devil Saga series Devil Summoner series Persona series Each subseries is a self-contained timeline and universe, but all of them share the same common elements. On Megami Tensei Metaseries, all games has the protagonist summon creatures (mostly demons, or Personas), but each subseries has a specific storyline. They don't happen at the same universe, but share the same elements. Each subseries has several games. So, Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night could be the first of the Metaseries Bloodstained. So, we could have, for instance (i made up everything): Ritual of the Night series: Cursed Alchemist wreacking havoc on humankind. Artificial Life series: Frankeinstein-esque humanoid built long ago by Alchemists, wake up from their his/her slumber to feed on corpses. Alchemist Guild series Alchemist guild prevailed over science and have a global dictactorship controlled by alchemist and demons. And so on. If Bloodstained became a real succes, IGA will NEED more IPs. He can't be a "man of a single franchise" as it was before (i think). But those IPs could be all part of the Metaseries. Would a comparative example be Hidetaka Miyazaki's work at From Software with Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne?
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Post by Pure Miriam on Jun 4, 2016 7:09:19 GMT -6
Would a comparative example be Hidetaka Miyazaki's work at From Software with Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne? Yes. I never played it, but i kinda know what you are talking about and yes. Same elements. More or less the same general ambient. But each series has his own world. I almost feel that Order of Ecclesia is like that. I know it isn't but it feels like it. Order of Ecclesia deals with a time when the Belmont Clan vanished with no further explanation, and now, other forcers had risen to defeat Dracula, if he rises again. It all sounds very "out-of-place" inside the general timeline. It could be a subseries and not really linked...
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Post by LordKaiser on Jun 4, 2016 10:19:22 GMT -6
The story so far looks to contained for it to have a sequel. I will wait till more is revealed or when someday I finish the game.
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